Bill Weintraub

Re: Man Space

8-20-2006

In balls and the man, Naked Wrestler aka NW said

Two men, driven by the testosterone from their testicles, seek out simple and ritualistic dominance of one man over the other. The fight is temporary and quick; the male2male bond from it is perpetual.

The beauty that nature and our Creator has built into the system is that men simultaneously show off their male genitals in that fight for dominance -- even while wearing the symbolic cover up of the wrestling singlet in our modern society.

You can't hold back nature; and you can't hold back your balls.

Testicles and the beautiful aggression they drive in us is what nature intended for us men. Deal with it and enjoy your manhood.

Manhood is back. Fighting is Man. Man is good.

Fighting is Good.

In MAN SPACE, NW says

Combat training changes things when males are together in training with males only. For one thing they learn to trust each other in the training. You learn to know what you can expect from your training partner. I've experienced that in kickboxing and in grappling. When you take on your training partner in class at the end of class and you really fight that person, a bond develops that is WAY different from a "gay" boyfriend-boyfriend relationship.

It's that bond that soldiers feel when they train for and go to war.

These males may get turned on by another male just as they may get turned on by a woman.

But what turns them on isn't important.

What matters is that they're primarily Masculine Identified -- and that they're willing to fight.

So the big divider is not Gay / Straight.

It's Masculine / Feminized.

Masculine men need to be in the company of other Masculine men.

Forcing them to spend their lives with feminized males in a gay ghetto -- is torture.

The reason you don't see more Masculine guys having sex with Masculine guys is because those guys are taught as teenagers to HIDE their feelings.

So each one of them ends up thinking that he's the only MAN on earth who's attracted to other Men.

But that's not true.

When males are together in an all-male fight training experience like wrestling, etc they are not forced into a heterosexual environment where they need to prove their heterosexuality. In the fight room experience for instance young males only need to prove their maleness or willingness to fight. In that situation the participation and willingness to fight is more important than even winning. Yes that is very true.

When all the males in the group act butch and manly by showing a willingness to fight each other, whether they win or lose, then they all learn as a group that they can rely on each other in a real battle. That teamwork skill is what maleness is all about.

"The big divider is not Gay / Straight.

It's Masculine / Feminized."

I was talking with the Naked guy, and he said that my NATURAL MASCULINITY and the weight of the lies page was good, but that it was very intellectual.

And I said, Fine, it's there for people who care about the Greeks -- which NW very much does -- but we also have other ways of delivering our message.

Like NW's "MANHOOD IS BACK."

That's a very effective slogan.

Because what I know from doing this work is that certain words really resonate with MEN.

Words like Masculinity, and Manhood, and

Those words, and what they stand for, are really important to men.

Phallus is another word.

So we have a slogan:

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Here are some other slogans -- from NW:

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Is NW correct that Fighting is Man?

Yes.

It's what my foreign friend said:

"Fighting spirit is the hallmark of masculinity"

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I was thinking about that, and about the last three and a half decades I've spent trying to deal with the feminized males who run the gay community, who believe that Fighting is bad and Man is bad.

Fact is, those people have opposed sensible solutions to community problems time and time again.

ALWAYS on the basis of their feminized, wimped out, fucked up the butt ideology.

Here's an example:

In 1979 I started my anti-violence work by promoting a "self-defense course for lesbians and gay men."

The people who'd crafted the course were terrific.

self-defense???

But trying to sell it -- that is to persuade gay males to take the course -- was impossible.

At community meetings, I'd speak about it, and the feminized males would literally scoff at it -- they'd say, with that queenly scorn, "Self defense? We want POLICE protection."

It was all, Please Mr. Policeman, protect me, please.

Well, here's what was going on:

There were a large number of fag-bashings and just plain crimes of opportunity being committed on the far west side of Manhattan, basically in a area of warehouses and other industrial-use buildings which were deserted after business hours.

Gay males would go into that area after dark because there were bars and sex clubs and outdoor cruising areas there.

Though we did work with the police and prosecutors -- extensively -- there was no way the police could patrol such a vast area.

In addition to which, there were other communities clamoring for police protection -- and their needs had to be considered too.

Yet the statistics were and are clear:

People who have self-defense / martial arts training are far less likely to be crime victims, and if they are attacked, they are far more likely to survive.

So: by taking a little bit of responsibility for themselves and learning how to FIGHT, these guys could have minimized their risk.

self-empowerment

They would NOT do it.

They scoffed at the idea.

Instead, they wallowed in the politics of identity.

We're gay, we're victims.

Ultimately, those courses failed.

They were discontinued for lack of interest.

I was one of the founding board members of the NYC Lesbian and Gay Anti-Violence Project -- and that's a satisfaction.

But the community had an opportunity at that time for self-empowerment.

Which was rejected.

(By the way, some of you may point out that these guys could have also minimized their risk by not going to bars and sex clubs.

But that wasn't on the table in 1979.

And truth to tell, everyone should have the right to walk the streets in safety.

Even if their destination is not one we necessarily approve of.)

I had a similar experience when it was first announced that oral could be a source of HIV infection.

The feminized gay males just flipped out about it.

"Now THEY are trying to take oral away from us," they wailed.

There was no THEY.

There were just responsible, peer-reviewed researchers and gay men who'd volunteered to be studied.

Didn't matter.

What you heard was that non-stop feminized scoffing and scorn.

My response was -- stop whining.

If it's dangerous -- don't do it.

And we've had the same crap from them about Frot.

Except they've gone even more berserk.

And at this point I'm beginning to feel that it doesn't matter whether these guys are effeminate by some fluke of biology, or if it's all cultural.

Fact is, if they won't change, they won't change.

Because if the bottoms are running the community, as one very well-placed warrior and gay establishment guy said to be, if these very effeminized men are controlling the gay space, then Masculine Men cannot occupy that space with them.

Because they inevitably seek to effeminize and degrade the Masculine.

Guys, this is a question of NATURAL MASCULINITY.

It's like the Naked guys says:

So we need our own space, and a space which is masculine -- like Naked Wrestler says,

A space in which it's understood that

And a space in which it's also understood that it's Normal and Natural for Masculine Men to bond phallically with other Masculine Men.

Men who are Naturally Masculine bond phallus2phallus with other Masculine Men.

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For a guy to put his MANHOOD against another guy's is natural and normal and not a big deal.

Plus it feels really great!

So we have this:

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And this:

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