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celebrating our manhood, our masculinity, and the uniting of our dicks

4-30-2008

Hi guys,

This is another email where the poster, whose name is John and who's married, wants to remain anonymous.

I'm sorry about that;

but, again, I just don't have time these days to beg guys to get a separate, web-based email account for use on this site.

Even though that's in their own interest -- usually.

Nevertheless -- when I post an anonymous email it's because I think it's in YOUR interest -- because I know the material will resonate for and speak to many of you.

Here's John's letter -- which is terrific:

Hi Bill,

During my pre-teen and teenage years, dick rubbing was my favorite activity. I ran across your web site when I was looking for more information about the practice and was delighted to find that not only are there others who enjoy doing it, but who advocate for it and promote it as a natural, even noble activity.

First let me say that I am a married man, and that all of my adult sexual relationships have been with women. As a youngster I was very curious about sex and experimented with playmates of both sexes, although most of the encounters and relationships I had were with boys. I'd like to tell you about three of them.

Mike was my best friend when we were between the ages of 3 and 7. We started playing sex games when we were about 4. At that age we were almost always supervised by our parents, so it was difficult to find the privacy we needed to do what we wanted to do. We were curious about each other's bodies, but weren't old enough to know what to do yet, so as I recall there was little or no touching - all we did was look. If we were playing in the basement of one of our houses and our mom was preoccupied with something upstairs, he would pull down his pants and I would crouch down to inspect his penis. Then we would switch places and he would check me out.

...

A few years later I became involved in a sexual relationship with a boy named Donnie. Our mothers were good friends and they would come over often to visit. Usually our moms would sit at the kitchen table and visit while he and I went in my bedroom to play. Our favorite thing to do was to climb under the covers of my bed and cuddle. We didn't take our clothes off because our moms were too close by. But it didn't matter because it felt fantastic! One time when we were doing this it felt so good that I began to imagine that as adults, Donnie and I would be neighbors and we would get together to cuddle every chance we got. In this fantasy I also imagined that both of us were married, and I saw a potential problem - that our wives might not be too thrilled about he and I cuddling all the time. But overriding this fear was the thought that this just feels too good to NOT do, and that our wives would just have to accept it!

Last but not least, there was Eddie. He moved into the neighborhood around the time I reached puberty, and shortly after he arrived we began a wonderful 6-year long sexual relationship. As I remember it, we started dick rubbing the very first time we had sex. We were fooling around on a mattress in my basement, and when both of us had our pants down I got on top of him. Of course it felt great, and dick rubbing immediately became our favorite thing to do. We experimented a little with other sex games, but we always dick rubbed. Usually it was the only thing we did, and the thought of having anal sex never entered our minds.

There were 4 places that we did it - in the basement, the attic, the garage, and on rare occasions when we were home alone, in my bedroom. It was primarily a summer activity, since we lived in the upper Midwest and in the winter it was too cold to get naked in the basement, attic or garage. We also had to be careful not to get caught by our parents. For these reasons, we sometimes went months without doing it. But eventually the desire would be too strong, and when there was an opportunity to be alone we would start dick rubbing again.

That's how it was for the first 4 years - when the time was right, we'd do it. To us, sex was just something that we did because it was fun, like playing baseball, riding bikes or tossing the frisbee around. But in about the 5th year, I noticed the dynamic of the friendship and the sexual relationship change. Looking back on it now, I can see that we had bonded. I felt closer to him than I had before, as we had grown to become best friends. I thought then that the sexual relationship was a major factor in leading to this stronger friendship. And the sexual part changed too. Where before we did it when we had the opportunity, now we were seeking out opportunities and doing it whenever we could! We also began taking more chances by doing it while parents were nearby.

Finally on one glorious summer day, I figured it all out. It was one of those wonderful rare times when my parents were gone all day and we had the house to ourselves. Of course the first thing that we did was rub our dicks together, then we went and did something else for a while, and then we rubbed dicks a second time. It was the only time in the entire relationship that I remember us doing it twice in one day. Then that evening we had planned to walk to a nearby park to watch a baseball game. We were both in a euphoric mood as we headed toward the park, and I thought to myself that I had never seen Eddie so happy. He was talking and laughing and joking as we walked along, and all of a sudden it hit me: Eddie is no longer just my best friend, he is my significant other, and we are on a DATE! I didn't mention anything to him about it though, figuring he would be horrified if I were to say such a thing out loud.

We continued our friendship and relationship for another year after that, before he and his family moved to another state. And there was one other defining moment in our relationship before he left. Usually when we rubbed dicks we did it lying down one on top of the other, except when we did it in his dimly lit garage where we'd do it standing up. But one day as we were finishing up a sex session in my bedroom, we did something a little different. He had just stood up after lying on top of me, and I sat up on the edge of the bed. I asked him to come over by me and as he did I pulled him up against me so that our dicks were touching. Before that moment we had mostly enjoyed the FEELING of being dick to dick, but this time we weren't just enjoying the sensation of touch, we were LOOKING at what we were doing, up close. It was an incredible moment to see our dicks being held together tight that way - we were celebrating our manhood, our masculinity, and the uniting of our dicks. It was something I will never forget.

John


Reply from Bill Weintraub:

Thank you John.

Just a few words about John's post.

What's striking here is that when John was a boy, he fantasized about being in what we could call a Warrior relationship as an adult, in which he would cuddle with another man.

And John says that in his fantasy,

I also imagined that both of us were married, and I saw a potential problem - that our wives might not be too thrilled about he and I cuddling all the time. But overriding this fear was the thought that this just feels too good to NOT do, and that our wives would just have to accept it!

That of course is an ancient and pre-heterosexualized view of male-male relationships:

The males do what they need to do to fulfill their normal and natural same-sex needs and desires -- and their wives have to accept it.

Because Male-Male -- or, if you prefer, the Warrior Bond, or, as I prefer, the True and Natural Love of Man for Man -- is a part of life.

Just as much a part of life as marriage and having children.

Now, what happens under heterosexualization?

Well, for a start, let's look more closely at heterosexualization, as we discussed it in AGOGE III: The Longing for Masculinity:

Heterosexualization, remember, is an historical process which

  1. eliminates same-gender environments and replaces them with mixed-gender environments;

  2. creates and then imposes upon men a false definition of masculinity, in which "real men" are constrained to be, both affectionally and sexually, exclusively heterosexual; and

  3. medicalizes and ghettoizes same-sex affection, intimacy, sex, and love; while dictating that all same-sex sexual expression be played out within the heterosexual paradigm of male and (pseudo-)female -- thus, the gay male categories of top/bottom, active/passive, dominant/submissive, butch/bitch.

Crucial to this process is the denigration, curtailment, and dismissal both of the male's natural male aggression; and of his natural male attraction.

Under heterosexualization, then, the male is steadily divorced from contact with other males, and forced into constant contact with females; while the two key attributes of Natural Masculinity, male aggression and male attraction, are forbidden him.

So:

What happens under heterosexualization is that fantasies such as John had about Donnie when they were boys, are denigrated and punished -- either overtly or covertly.

And the boy, particularly as he enters adolescence, is sent the message that only mixed-gender sex and relationships are acceptable.

Relationships, then, are "heterosexualized" -- forced to conform to a male-female model.

While such male-male relations and/or relationships which may survive are ghettoized under the gay/anal label.

As a consequence, says my foreign friend, boys very often say Yes to a girl and No to a boy; when they'd rather say Yes to a boy, and No to a girl.

And that is crucial to heterosexualization.

The boy -- and the girl -- must always choose a heterosexual model of sex and relationship.

Nevertheless, and despite the pressure to be exclusively heterosexual, John managed, as a teen, to enter into a Frot relationship with Eddie.

And it was a passionate relationship.

Unlike Joe, who posted in Frot Modes: The things we tend to regret in life are the things we don't do, John doesn't say whether he and Eddie were simultaneously involved with girls -- though that seems likely.

But John does say that there was a defining moment and epiphany with Eddie, in which he realized that the two of them weren't just buddies playing a sexual game, but were actually and truly -- in a relationship:

All of a sudden it hit me: Eddie is no longer just my best friend, he is my significant other, and we are on a DATE!

Exactly.

But -- living under heterosexualization, and unlike an ancient Greek, who would have OPENLY rejoiced in the relationship, John had learned -- taught by his heterosexual masters -- to keep his mouth shut:

I didn't mention anything to him about it though, figuring he would be horrified if I were to say such a thing out loud.

Would Eddie have been horrified?

Or would he have been overjoyed and indeed exalted to learn that John returned his love?

My money is on the latter.

But we'll never know -- for sure -- because John did what he was supposed to do, and suppressed his desire, his need, and his right to tell Eddie how he felt.

Even so, however, and despite the terrible constraints imposed by heterosexualization, there was one more defining and very powerful moment between John and Eddie:

Usually when we rubbed dicks we did it lying down one on top of the other, except when we did it in his dimly lit garage where we'd do it standing up. But one day as we were finishing up a sex session in my bedroom, we did something a little different. He had just stood up after lying on top of me, and I sat up on the edge of the bed. I asked him to come over by me and as he did I pulled him up against me so that our dicks were touching. Before that moment we had mostly enjoyed the FEELING of being dick to dick, but this time we weren't just enjoying the sensation of touch, we were LOOKING at what we were doing, up close.

Right.

The guys looked.

And for the first time they could not only feel, but could SEE, that supremely powerful and uniquely Male image and symbol, which speaks to every Man, of Phallus against Phallus, Manhood bonded and merged in proud and mutual erection with Manhood.

It was an incredible moment to see our dicks being held together tight that way - we were celebrating our manhood, our masculinity, and the uniting of our dicks. It was something I will never forget.

Right.

And you can bet that Eddie never forgot it either.

But -- Eddie moved away, and apparently the two have never seen each other since.

"we were celebrating our manhood, our masculinity, and the uniting of our dicks"

Two Dicks held tight in that way symbolize, realize, and express, the two most elemental attributes of Natural Masculinity: male-male aggression and male-male attraction.

There is nothing more powerful, or even as powerful, which two Men can do.

It is, again, uniquely Male, and uniquely Ours.

And yet for John and Eddie, it was limited to their adolescence, and was abruptly ended.

Guys, what you need to understand is that absent heterosexualization -- and pre-heterosexualization -- John and Eddie's relationship would have been open, and to some degree lifelong.

And that THAT IS THE NATURAL PATTERN FOR MEN.

We saw it in Frot among the animals.

For example, Bottlenose Dolphins:

Male Bottlenose Dolphins often form lifelong pair-bonds with each other. Adolescent and younger males typically live in all-male groups in which homosexual activity is common; within these groups, a male begins to develop a strong bond with a particular partner (usually of the same age) with whom he will spend the rest of his life. The two Dolphins become constant companions, often traveling widely; although sexual activity probably declines as they get older, it may continue to be a regular feature of such partnerships.

...

The lives of male Bottlenose Dolphins are characterized by extensive bisexuality, combined with periods of exclusive homosexuality. As adolescents and young males, they have regular homosexual interactions in all-male groups, sometimes alternating with heterosexual activity. From age 10 onward, most male Dolphins form pair-bonds with another male, and because they do not usually father calves until they are 20-25 years old, this can be an extended period -- 10-15 years -- of principally same-sex interaction. Later, when they begin mating heterosexually, they still retain their primary male pair-bonds, and in some populations male pairs and trios cooperate in herding females or in interacting homosexually with Spotted Dolphins.

And, as I pointed out, that is exactly and precisely what the Spartans did.

Grew up in all-male/homosocial groups, pair-bonded with another Male in adolescence, had a lifelong relationship with him, and also married.

David and Jonathan, ancient Hebrew warriors, would have done that also -- remember that their relationship continued even after they were married.

With children.

So: this is a common male pattern in pre-heterosexualized societies.

Very common.

Yet it's been taken from you.

Stolen from you.

What was yours by Manly right of birth -- has been snatched away.

What are you going to do about that?

Nothing?

Continue "living," if you can call it that, in the gay-analist-heterosexist nightmare?

Or are you going to FIGHT BACK?

Your choice is Freedom or Death.

Right now you're dead.

You have just ONE chance for Freedom --

the Freedom to Live and Love as God and Nature intended --

the Freedom to Live and Love -- as a MAN.

Bill Weintraub

April 30, 2008

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