Archived Posts


Warriors Speak is our archive of the thousands of posts and emails I and other warriors have received over the past five years.

The sixty-five posts and replies indexed on our main Warriors Speak page date primarily from the first year of our existence, but include others as well which are particularly representative of the thinking of Frot men and of the Frot Movement and the way both have evolved over the years.

So it's *very important* that interested Frot men read all the posts indexed on the main Warriors Speak page.

But the archived posts found on *this* page are also important.

For taken together with the posts on our first Warriors Speak page, they constitute a complete "oral history" of Frot men and the Frot Movement at the end of the 20th and beginning of the 21st century.

In them, guys have shared with me and their fellow warriors their fantasies, their hopes,  and their true life stories.

These first person accounts are invaluable. There's simply nothing more compelling or more real.

These true life stories are the heart of our club and the heart of our movement. Posted here and in Personal Stories, there are now more than 3000 of them. I hope you'll read them all. I think you'll find them to be, as I have, awesomely empowering.

And I encourage you to tell your own story, and either send it to me for posting, or post it yourself in Personal Stories. What you have to say constitutes a unique oral history. Don't let it be lost. Write it down and put it out there for your brother warriors and fellow frot men to hear.

Please note:

The posts in Warriors Speak appeared originally on our club's Personal Stories message board; they're archived here essentially as they first appeared, with their original replies as well.

For convenience, the indexes of Warriors Speak are presented on six separate pages.

Click here for the first and original index page of Warriors Speak.

Links to subsequent index pages can be found at the bottom of each page.


What It Means To Be a Man "The great ideals of the Homeric world and the thoughts of what it means to be a man, not a poser."

THE FEAR FACTOR "If there is any resistance at all to this movement I say it's fear . Fear of intimacy. Fear of facing up to ones real nature. Two men cannot be closer than when bone to bone, face to face, locked in erotic combat with one another. A buttfucker never has to face his partner if he does not want to," says noted Frot artist EROS V

Beatific Response -- a true m2m revolution needs to occur says Warrior Roe: "It was definitely love for I thought of him constantly and couldn't wait to be around him."

the way i originally felt my life should go Says Michael, "Since stumbling on "Frot", I am amazed at the memories, the way I had originally felt my life should go and was heading. It's really awaking to know that I can travel an old road I didn't know went anywhere with guys like me existed."

Heroic Homosex and the Alliance are The Last Refuge of Man's Dignity and Soul, says Warrior Jedi, for "all we have is the faith and belief in what we stand for and what we fight for."

Warriors or Sodomites In the story of David and Jonathan, the Bible presents a very different model of what's possible between men.

i have no problems fighting says this warrior, and adds, "if you are a man ... you are a man ... you might still like men, but you cannot neglect or deny the fact that between your legs you have cojones and a dick. so with that in mind love it and be proud of what you have cause after all we will always be men."

Frot to Trot After reading Rethinking Gay Sex, Danny hales our life-affirming perspective.

frot awareness Righpe is a big beefy guy in Harlem who's realised he loves face-to-face, full-body contact.

Edmund White's Lies An analist doyenne denies the possilibity of anything noble between two men who love.

In response, I note that

when we talk about phallus, fidelity, and masculinity as the polar opposites of anus, promiscuity, and effeminacy -- there's a reason.

Analist culture is not simply the exaltation of one particularly nasty sex act above all others.

It's also the abjuration of anything decent or elevated or, dare I say, heroic between two men.

Reclaiming Your Noble Warrior Heritage A Celtic scholar speaks out against the anti-masculine bias in contemporary culture.

A Real Man Doesn't Fuck Another Man A French warrior's noble credo.

love and companionship, not meaningless hook-ups, are what Warrior Jeroch is seeking.

frottage and monogamy "I agree with you that anal sex and polygamy contribute to the erosion and debasement of a person's self esteem and character. ... Frottage and monogamy, I think, are very harmonious with finding and growing love between people."

fighting and combat "I have come to accept that fighting and combat are big parts of me," says this young handsome Frot man.

We are all warriors, we just need to know the direction of the battle says Dennis, a retired military man, and one of our donors.

Why do we ask men to donate?

Why aren't we simply commercial?

In this vital post, Bill Weintraub and Mart Finn discuss the deadly effect of money on gay male life, and the relationship between consumerism and analism.

Vital reading.

Rethinking Gay Sex Redux My very mild op-ed Rethinking Gay Sex causes an analist outcry.

Includes letters from Mart Finn, Warrior Mike, Warrior Terry, and Don Frazer, who says:

Just being anti-anal is not enough----we need to emphasize the sensory feedback loop achieved through anatomical coupling, stimulating each other's genitals naturally so both buddies feel the same sensations at the same time. THAT is sexual intimacy.

And, it's an intimacy that leads guys to full and complete UNION, without BARRIERS between them so the natural male flow from their bodies is free and openly shared, unabridged by rubbers or any artificial containment.

It is a confirmation of masculinity.

Oral Sex and Oral Cancer Do different sex acts carry different levels of risk?

If they do, should we say so?

the joys of frot how one cowboy was initiated

Jocks, Socks and Masculine Uniform Frots A paean to testosterone from a guy named Tank -- "The truth is that masculinity is the best thing in the world."

I'm glad to meet a community of men A great post from Warrior Mike, who lost his lover to analism, and understands what's at stake in this struggle.

In this post, Mike talks about having done anal and acted effeminate in order to satisfy the demands of the ButtFuck Dictatorship.

To which Robert Loring responds:

When we allow gay culture to conquer us so that we submit to things we detest a piece of us dies inside and that is most often our masculinity. But this part of us can be resurrected and rise like the great Phoenix Bird from out of the midst of its own ashes. That resurrection comes when we make the conscious and purposeful choice to simply be ourselves. To simply be men who love other men, frot, and men who truly love to experience real love with other men.

Greetings from Egypt Medo, an Egyptian physician, says "I proudly announce that I am a cockrub warrior in spite of the long distance between us and the differences between our cultures and societies."

When David was the butch and Jonathan his bitch An analist "theologian" attempts to depict David and Jonathan as a 20th century gay male butch-bitch couple.


not lifestyles but lives A luminous post from the cockster aka Mart Finn, in which Mart talks about "long established traditions of male-male intimacy which have no connection to anal penetration -- which are grounded in mutal love, desire and empathy. A celebration of masculine beings."

in awe A young Marine of former service writes "I understand the concept of frot, wholeheartedly I can say this is me, this is what has been missing, this is what I am and what I am capable of, this is my definition of being a man, a warrior and another guy seeing that and appreciating that and being able to be his own warrior with me without either thinking or being made to feel less of what they really are..a man."

Frot strengthens your manhood in every way In this fund-raising post, I talk about what will happen in the absence of donations:

The bottomboyz and genderbenders who run the gay media will continue to

1. present anal penetration as the alpha and omega of gay "sex," and assert, wrongly, that it's been that way since the beginning of time;

2. denigrate non-anal sex, and particularly what they refer to as "frottage"; and

3. treat men who don't do anal as immature, incomplete, and psychologically-marred versions of "gay men" -- whom they will continue to depict as anally-receptive paragons of intergendered virtue.

While the religious right will continue to condemn any form of sex or love between men.

Those are your alternatives: the analist left, the religious right, or the tender mercies of the mercantile class.

being into guys without losing being a guy That's what we want, says John, and Don agrees: "Here we celebrate male sexuality as a pure, honest and instinctive expression between buds who can be GUYS together."

Includes a very important statement from Wrestlin Warrior Gino.

A Confirmation of Masculinity A very important message thread which begins with a forceful post from Don Frazer and ends with a powerful statement by Robert Loring:

Frot men promote each others manhood and masculinity rather than try to destroy it. Frot men do not seek to depersonalize their partners nor to rob them or themselves of their human manly dignity. Frot is, therefore, not only healthy physically but, in my opinion, it is also healthy psychologically and spiritually. It promotes the man rather than destroys the man.

Not to be missed.

A Father's Wish for his gay son: "It would be presumptuous of me to attempt to change the way God had built him. Now I wouldn't want him to be promiscuous and I wouldn't want him to be initiated into anal sex, but neither of those things would naturally have to follow because his sexual orientation happened to be primarily homosexual."

Brett memorial A discussion of a photo tribute to my late lover Brett Averill raises the question: Are men who have sex with men intergendered?

the best male relationship and the best sex i have had A chance meeting on a beach leads to a wonderful Frot companionship.

Super Gonorrhea, Drug Resistant Syphilis Super bugs + promiscuity = bad news, especially for the buttboyz, but even for men into Frot.

the best feeling in the world "No pushing shit up hill for this guy, give me cock2cock everytime," says Aussie Cockrub Warrior Trevor with a hot story of hot bone on bone.

Thanks for such an uplifting site A Connecticut college student describes analist pressure to conform and expresses gratitude for helping him realize "that I don't have to bend who I am to fit some sexual stereotype."

Joining HeroicHomoSex A young guy in Oklahoma says, "I have found that there may actually be hope for finding something as true and wonderful as a relationship with another man that is solidified on the basis of equality and *key word*-monogamy and profound love."

the hardest i've ever been pt 2 Straight guy Joe is back with another incredibly hot tale of married man2man cock combat and supercharged dick fite / cumfight.

Don't miss it bro.

Being a part of A guy who likes to fish and bow hunt seeks his warrior brother in Midwest Michigan.

Question How does one guy approach another guy about Frot?

Fear... A young man is afraid that his boyfriend will inevitably demand that he do anal.

Thanks A guy finds true love and fulfillment through the Alliance.

I felt so alone Guys recount being walked out on by lovers because they won't do anal: "i felt so alone when it came to opposing anal sex ..." says the first.

What a relief... to find guys into Frot: "the radical and cool thing about homosexuality should be its equality -- not mimicing traditional heterosexuality where women's role was to "service" their husbands and bear children, and orgasm is an afterthought."

Condoms and Cancer Condoms are found to contain a carcinogen; AIDS Inc advises men to fuck on.

It's our time NOW are you ready? Thoughts on the Frot Movement, analism, moral relativism, and the problem of evil.

cock to cock and man to man "Give me man to man, shaft to shaft cock on cock struggling. Eye to Eye, chest to chest, legs wrapped around each other is natural and the ultimate sex for me."

Can one man be faithful to another? A wide-ranging discussion among many warriors, about the cultural roots of promiscuity, including Shawn, Andy, "BillRob," and David McQuarrie, and with not one but TWO Robert Loring replies.

Essential reading.

Negative Counseling and Unsafe Sex -- or, why David McQuarrie was right A study from the UK reveals something we've long suspected: "In motivating HIV-infected patients to reduce risky sexual behaviors, brief counseling about the negative consequences of "unsafe" sex is more effective than discussing the positive outcomes of "safer" sex."

Negative counseling works.

Rectal Secretions from "Men who have Sex with Men" Contain More HIV than Blood or Semen A study reported in the influential online journal AIDSMap leads to a discussion about whether the Alliance should produce Frot porn so as to counteract analist propaganda.

Fidelity vs condoms in Africa Ugandan President Museveni's speech at the Bangkok AIDS conference sparks controversy.

FrotMen.Org A new addition to the Alliance and a new identity for men who love men: FrotMen.

My Dream A married man recounts his poignant dream of m2m.

Brotherhood A powerful statement from Robert Loring.

AIDS Inc Cashes In An important op-ed from James Pinkerton in the LA Times discusses how the AIDS bureaucracy now puts its survival ahead of those actually afflicted by the threat of HIV.

Observes Mr Pinkerton: And if perma-funding for the dying becomes the new "mode of production" -- that is, a lucrative career path for the press-savvy and the politics-connected -- then a legitimating superstructure of ideology will emerge.

Vital reading.

Full Frontal Desires In praise of front-to-front.

STD Risk and Your Partner's Concurrent Partners Why promiscuity is a bad idea.

Greek Wrestlers / Pankratiasts and Frottage What really happened between those ancient nude combatants?

Imperfect Unions An excellent NY Times op-ed on gay marriage, with some comments from Bill Weintraub.

Frottage, So That's What It's Called "Duty called and I ended up at Travis AFB in Ca. No matter where I went I always seemed to have a frottage partner to rub cocks with," says this Frot man -- until he moved to SF and found that gay men were demanding anal and anal only.

A true life history.

A Sheltered Life "From an early age I always had a fantasy with a male partner in a frottage (sometimes combative) situation," says Billy, an 83-year-old father and grandfather in Australia who recounts his life story.

skin2skin What I've been after since I was a teenager, says Clint, a native Texan, is "as much skin2skin contact as 2 human males can manage."

Just sharing an experience How do you deal with that constant analist pressure to bend over?

No More Fear Says Kevin: "My advice to others who may feel alienated by gay society's sexual norms is this: Don't be afraid! Stick to your principles and never let fear of rejection sway you. Truly meaningful sex is harder to find than the "quick bang" variety but the rewards for waiting are enormous!"

the intimacy two men can share Two straight-identified guys ask how they can go about realizing their dream of male intimacy.

We need donations Nobody wants to hear that.

But this post brought some very interesting responses, including this one from Mitch:

To me these Alliance sites constitute a sacred space, honoring the beauty and passion of male to male; a place that makes me stronger and proud to be a man who loves men. Bill is one of my real-life heroes and those are in short supply these days.

A lot of guys out there are hurting, living in a world that makes no sense. We were there once too. Donating to the Frot sites is a way to help them and give them hope. It's a very real way to help our fellow man.

ULTIMATE FRUSTRATION An HIV poz guy expresses his frustration at what happened to him and the failure of the AIDS establishment to address non-anal alternatives.

AIDS: The Elusive Vaccine AIDS vaccine not in sight.

Why Be Faithful A discussion of our Man2ManAlliance policy paper Why Be Faithful, and how it applies to both gay-identified and bisexual men.

Nobility and Strength of Character Says Warrior Patrokles, "I am and have almost always been attracted to certain other men - attractive, masculine men, committed to nobility and strength of character. Loving another man does not diminish ones manhood unless one allows this to pass!"

fucked up "And it is SOOOOO easy to hear the negative connotation that "Bottom" has. EVEN THOUGH.... to play the anal game.... one can't BE A TOP, UNLESS THERE'S A BOTTOM. It's so clear to me that there must be BOTH for it to work. Yet, one is held in MUCH LOWER REGARD!!! How fucked up is that?"

Thank you! Says Dave, "Based on my own experience I theorized that gay relationships don't last because when two men engage in a relationship and their most intimate time together is actually an act of brutality and oppression then how can love and mutual respect possibly last? Anal kills relationships!"

My Whole Life... Warrior Tom on life and death: "I hated fucking. It hurt. It was painful to recieve. And I had no interest in sticking my dick in anyones asshole. I thought I was a total freak, and to many.... I was."

we're just men! writes a French martial artist of himself and his lover; "we're not gay, we're not straight, we're not into anal things, we're 100000000miles away from "gay culture" ... we're just men !"

Circumcision reduces HPV risk according to an AZ study. "Circumcised men were one-third as likely as uncircumcised men to be infected"; which suggests that in its embrace of the uncut cock, once again analist culture has made a bad choice.

My First Time This is one of several "My First Time" message threads, and in this one, from 2002, we get into a discussion of whether men who have sex with men are "homosexual."

Fidelity, Bonding and Masculinity "I am an older gay man who has seen the rise of buttfucking and its resulting AIDS infections destroy the lives of many gay men. What you are proposing is a return to some values that seemed to have disappeared over the ages: Fidelity, Bonding, and Masculinity."

Those are our posts. I hope you'll read all of them. And I hope you'll contribute to them. You'll be stronger for it, and I know you'll be proud, just as I am, to be a Frot Man and Cockrub Warrior.



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