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Warriors Speak is our archive of the thousands of posts and emails I and other warriors have received over the past five years.

The sixty-five posts and replies indexed on our main Warriors Speak page date primarily from the first year of our existence, but include others as well which are particularly representative of the thinking of Frot men and of the Frot Movement and the way both have evolved over the years.

So it's *very important* that interested Frot men read all the posts indexed on the main Warriors Speak page.

But the archived posts found on *this* page are also important.

For taken together with the posts on our first Warriors Speak page, they constitute a complete "oral history" of Frot men and the Frot Movement at the end of the 20th and beginning of the 21st century.

In them, guys have shared with me and their fellow warriors their fantasies, their hopes,  and their true life stories.

These first person accounts are invaluable. There's simply nothing more compelling or more real.

These true life stories are the heart of our club and the heart of our movement. Posted here and in Personal Stories, there are now more than 3000 of them. I hope you'll read them all. I think you'll find them to be, as I have, awesomely empowering.

And I encourage you to tell your own story, and either send it to me for posting, or post it yourself in Personal Stories. What you have to say constitutes a unique oral history. Don't let it be lost. Write it down and put it out there for your brother warriors and fellow frot men to hear.

Please note:

The posts in Warriors Speak appeared originally on our club's Personal Stories message board; they're archived here essentially as they first appeared, with their original replies as well.

For convenience, the indexes of Warriors Speak are presented on six separate pages.

Click here for the first and original index page of Warriors Speak.

Links to subsequent index pages can be found at the bottom of each page.


aggression and the beauty of guys "Aggression and the beauty of guys who asserted that aggression was what first attracted me to wrestling and fighting..."

to deepen, not weaken, masculinity "Until I found this site, I didn't even have a clear idea of what I was seeking. All I had was an inchoate longing for something both physical and deeply, transcendently spiritual and the sense that it deepened, not weakened, my masculinity."

I am my own man "Your site has made me realize that I am not alone...I now understand what I want AND WHY I want it."

Complicit in our own genocide As HIV prevalence hits 46% among Black gay and bi men, Phill Wilson, head of the Black AIDS Institute, still refuses to talk about non-anal alternatives.

In Wilson's own phrase, says African-American Frot activst Chuck Tarver, Wilson is now "complicit in our own genocide."

We need donations now We're fighting for a world in which the essential biseuxality of men is recognized and accepted, and in which phallus-to-phallus sex between men is taken for what it is: a natural and normal expression of your intrinsic male need to bond with your fellow man.

How Could I Have Missed This Website For So Long? Because of the absence of press, among other things.

Problems with my partner If your bf's into anal, will peeing on him help?

The Warrior Within "Ever since childhood, I have always admired warriors especially ancient Greeks and Romans. I did not only find them awesome but even erotic. This fascination has grown within me and has become me..."

A filthy, disgusting habit that will eventually destroy us and cost us a fortune Can we draw useful conclusions from the public health campaigns to de-glamorize and reduce the incidence of smoking?

Whatever happened to Jocelyn Elders? This courageous surgeon general lost her job for daring to tell the truth about masturbation and STD.

Anal and monogamy Is anal within a monogamous relationship okay?

The Real Possibilities of Love "If more men were educated about frottage, more and more would do it, enjoy it, and be quite happy about it. And in a non binary society, non guilt society they wouldn't have a crisis of sexual identity afterward. "Oh my god, I just came with a guy, does that mean I'm gay?" No. It means you are human. It means you are a man. It means you can give and receive affection from a friend, and still be a MAN. People need to free their minds, and free their bodies."

A post by the very popular Logan McClintock.

Donations are far too low to keep us online This fund-raising post discusses the genesis of analism in post-bohemian, post-stonewall, gay male culture.

While of course it's tedious to ask for donations, these fund-raising posts often result in good discussions -- which is why they're included in Warriors Speak.

Condom promotion in Uganda not reducing HIV risk, study shows If condom promotion is not reducing HIV risk in Uganda, why would it do so here?

The argument that American gay and bi men are somehow different from African heterosexual men is both patronizing and false.

Can the M2M world be changed? Sure it can -- but, as I learned in Gay Lib, you have to make an effort.

Not a fetish Warrior Dave, a TX college student, speaks of how coming out as a Frot man in his liberal community results in constant derision.

Even though, says Dave, it's clear that Frot is mutually and highly pleasurable genital sex; while anal is a fetish -- and an unpleasant one.

Adds Greg, another student, "Maybe this is the most pathetic aspect of anal sex, that people try so hard to get it right, when in reality they'd be doing themselves a huge favor by simply not doing it at all."

HIV, HPV, anal cancer, and HAART Two new studies remind us of the dangers inherent in anal penetration.

The Greatest Gift Says a young man who was expelled from a Christian farming community, "God bless you for your Web site. I already see where I am coming back to my old self because of the confidence I have about my manhood. This is the greatest gift God has given after life and, someday, immortality and eternal life through Jesus Christ."

Katrina and HIV: our blighted response "We seem unwilling or incapable of confronting our most ominous, long-term risks - especially if confronting them might require inconvenience or sacrifice or simply challenging the status quo."

College Having trouble meeting the sort of guys you want to in college?

You need to ACT to change the culture.

Not just complain about it.

Teen pregnancies plummet If we can change behavior in one area of sexual life -- why can't we do it in another?

Donations are far, far, far, far, far too low Don't want to donate?

In that case, ex-gay ministries and analist psychotherapists -- like Walter Odets -- are your best bet.

Achilles in the steam room "sharing the knowledge only men know of their own anatomy, cock2cock, dick2dick, and a bliss that shuts everything out"

What choice Stand and fight or bend over and die -- that's the choice, says Warrior Greg Milliken, which faces all men who love men

Even with HAART, HIV Damages Brain "the brains of HIV patients were 15 percent thinner in areas that control language, planning and movement. It didn't matter if the patients were on a drug regimen known as HAART, which often allows infected individuals to keep the virus from destroying the immune system."

HPV and Anal: Then and Now; or, Ahead of Our Time In our fifth report on anal cancer, we find that anal HPV continues to spead among men who engage in anal.

Circuit Parties and HIV: Then and Now, or Ahead of Our Time The safer-sex boyz declare that they are shocked, shocked, to discover that HIV is being spread at circuit parties.

Even though we first reported on that in 2001.

Why does the safer-sex establishment keep reinventing the wheel?

Perhaps because it pays to do so.

Barebackin buttboy bottoms out behind bars A young man, a former medical student, Air Force Academy cadet and high school valedictorian, is sent to jail for knowingly spreading HIV.

Is more "safer-sex" education the answer?

Homophobes Is it homophobic to be critical of anal penetration?

Is it homophobic to allow HIV and HPV to continue to spread among gay men?

You decide.

dubya dun it HIV prevalence rises among gay men and the gay establishment blames George Bush.

Is he at fault?

A Gay Anti-Conformist Says a young gay guy in Florida: "How can you justify inserting your Penis into a tunnel that six hours or six minutes earlier was squeezing out human wastes? Just recognizing the reality of the act should be enough of a turn off and a mood damper. Anal sex is a reduction of character in the homosexual empire; it is not necessary and is not normal, nor in any given participant's best welfare or safety in the long run."

The Inner Sanctum "Anal penetration hurts. It exposes you to life-threatening infections. It degrades the ordinary performance of the anus."

RAPE CULTURE Can a person consent to an act of degradation?

RAPE CULTURE is one of the most important message threads on the site.

A Call to all true WARRIORS!! Robert Loring makes a compelling case for true Warrior Brotherhood.

World AIDS Day or World Anal Day? Anal Cancer Rate Up; Evangelicals In; Condoms All Around World AIDS Day 2005 finds the rate of anal cancer on the rise, American evangelicals claiming to embrace "people with HIV/AIDS," and relentless condom campaigns.

Surgeon General Issues Warning on Anal Penetration "Condoms provide some protection, but anal intercourse is simply too dangerous to practice."

AIDS agency arranges bathhouse tours for virgins AIDS Committee Toronto takes its pimping for anal to new heights by commissioning a set of obscene playing cards and arranging bathhouse tours for -- virgins.

Analist eunuch whores Effeminacy and anal in India and America.

BOYCOTT Brokeback Mountain Our call for a boycott of an analist lie brings many important responses from Warriors Mark, Jedi, Robert Loring, Greg Milliken, Ken, Logan McClintock, Don Frazer, and myself.

Brokeback is an agent of analism.

And analism is the enemy of humanity.

This is a vital message thread which you should not miss.

The Templars Noble knights and Frot.

Many People with Drug-Resistant HIV Having Unprotected "Sex" And are thus bringing about the rapid spread of those strains.

An eye-opening report.

Depraved Bitches Buttboyz demand they be given an antiviral drug as prophylaxis against HIV, even though there's no proof the drug will protect them; while experts warn that misusing the drug in that way will breed resistant strains of HIV.

Thus rendering the drug useless for people already infected with HIV.

That sort of depraved indifference to the sanctity of life is one of the hallmarks of analist culture.

Where does it come from?

A wide-ranging discussion which includes an important Oscar Vallejo reply.

Donations are too low to sustain the site People who are willing to fight survive. Those who won't, don't.

We have too many warrior wannabes on the site, and far too few actual fighters.

The answer to so many questions "Your solution is so simple, so elegant, so... male, the essence of virile friendship..."

Fist Fuckers of America Is having a fist inserted into your ano-rectal canal "natural to a man?"

New to Frot A gay-identified disabled man has long feared anal. Here we've shown him another way.

With an important Robert Loring reply:

"Religion has tried to make many of us "straight" but their efforts fail. You cannot change something that is NATURAL in MAN. Frot is natural for males and since it's natural it can also be said to be god-given."

THANK YOU! THANK YOU! for this "wonderful, brilliant, site."

Brave New Gay World In its emphasis on on youth, drugs, and promiscuity, Huxley's classic dystopia is quite suggestive of gay male culture today.

What happens to warriors in such a soulless society?

Compliments and Sympathies "seeing your webpage to me was a gateway to finding and reading about safer and more pleasurable man-to-man alternatives to anal sex"

UFC Ultimate Fighter Fightin and Frot -- it's hot and it's on Spike says Warrior Boomer.

Find out why so many guys are into this ultimate combat sport.

ARE THERE REALLY WARRIORS? Den Shanahan asks an important question.

Until the men who visit this site take action, their lives will never improve.

Straight8 Acting?? Another incisive Robert Loring post: "What is acting about straight8 acting gay men? It's NOT acting at all in my opinion. Straight8 acting gay men are masculine men just trying to be themselves and they are not acting at all nor do they have any desire to act and try to be something they are not. I think it is the tops and bottoms who are doing all the acting."

Two men can be one in body, mind, and spirit -- we all agree.

But how do you find that man who's right for you.

Posts from Eric, Tommy, Greg Milliken, Bill G, Pete Wrestlerdude, Robert Loring, and myself.

I'm a A straight man who loves men, says Jake, and "happening upon this site has opened my mind to a whole different concept..."

Feeling Great says Griffin after coming out as a Frot Man to his brother and co-workers -- and meeting a GREAT GUY right here on this site!!!

Way to go Warrior Griffin!!!

I Never thought... "there was anyone in this world like me."

Pure male sexuality "2 males frotting cock, nothing about being straight or bi or gay or top or bottom. Just 2 real males exploring each other's sexuality."

looking for insight Can a guy who's played the role of "weak fag" and "hole" for his boyfriend for years make the transition to Frot MAN?

New to this "We wrestled, laughing, and something came over us. I don't know when, but after a while we were just intent on getting off. We rolled around rubbing together, forgetting about the girl we were fighting for. I know I had forgotten about everything else in the world."

Tiny and Stable? Analist columnist Dan Savage thinks there are two discrete categories of human being: gay and straight.

Is he right?

This is a very important message thread with replies from Den Shanahan, myself, Jim, Greg Milliken, and Robert Loring.

Do not miss it.

Society's Procrustean Bed Society today, says Warrior Jim, is trying to force every human being into a Procrustean bed of either gay or straight, rather than respecting a "man standing on his own before God and the world, taking action and making decisions based on his own conscience without hiding behind social expectations or the approval of some church body or other hierarchy."

Includes some great Greek art -- and a POWERFUL Robert Loring reply.

minefields of the mind Does gender theory have any validity at all?

intercourse not outercourse Is Frot sexual intercourse?

The answer may surprise you.

Death of a Frot Brother "He was TAUGHT and he LEARNED and he CONFORMED to the analists! Why? Because he thought that to be a gay male demands one engage in anal sex with another male. He thought this because he was TAUGHT this was so by one of the analists he hooked up with when he moved to the city! Apparently, he had greatly enjoyed his frot experiences while still living in the small town he had grown up in. Apparently, he had thought that frot was NORMAL between males and this man had maintained his masculinity."

"BUT, once he moved to the city and hooked up with other gay males he quickly found out that what he had enjoyed and thought to be normal M2M sex was NOT acceptable in the BFD culture. And so, this masculine male who once loved to frot with other males was transformed into an effeminate butt-fucker as he conformed to the dictates of the BFD and the world has LOST yet ANOTHER MASCULINE MALE!"

I thought I was a freak "In all honesty, I never liked to top anybody and never liked to be bottom at all. I never enjoyed them but obliged just to find or keep lovers."

Where do we go from here? Warrior Steve asks a vital question.

Defeated in their own minds What prevents Frot men from acting more forcefully for their own liberation?

One answer, brilliantly phrased by Robert Loring, is that too many are "defeated in their own minds."

Learn how to vanquish that defeat and FIGHT BACK.

Warriors or Soldiers Which are needed in our battle to reach our fellow men?

memories reawakened Warrior Doug recalls his instinctive realization that guys are supposed to hump cock to cock.

Your future under analism Pt 1: PREP HIV "prevention experts" ignore Frot and push more toxic drugs on an increasingly unwilling world.

Brit buttboy guilty of infecting boyfriend; UK "HIV activists" protest When prosecutors in the UK dare go after a barebacker for infecting his bf, AIDS "activists " protest -- the prosecution!

A Tale of Two Tattoos Which would you choose?

To be stabbed in the back by an analist "friend?"

Or to fight for your life -- Death Before Dishonor?

NEW: Warrior Christendom and WARRIORS! Why does Masculinity matter?

Because we are MEN and FROT is NATURAL to MEN.

Warrior Christendom "The history of Christianity," says Robert Loring, "reflects that it is a religion of Soldiers and Warriors!"

This is a vital essay about religion, culture, and masculinity.


In this message thread, we look at how these ideals play out in warrior cultures, and introduce the vital concept of VIR -- VIRILIS -- VIRTUS.

Related post:

WARRIORS! A terrific message thread on the Warrior Ethos, with posts from George, Naked Wrestler, Robert Loring, and myself.

Not to be missed.

too male A meditation upon the Masculinity of FROT, and the ways in which that Masculinity offends our effeminized culture.

Richly illustrated.

MAN-PHOBIA: Fired for being into UFC In which Naked Wrestler, a former collegiate freestyle wrestler who now trains in mixed martial arts / UFC-style fighting, is fired from a white-collar job because -- he trains in a combat sport in his free time.

Hard to believe but true.

This is a seminal post, with replies from Robert Loring, Greg Milliken, and myself, and with great pix too!

Death Before Dishonor That's what Greek patriots and tyrannicides Harmodius and Aristogeiton chose when they refused to let a dictator anally violate their relationship.

With a forceful Robert Loring response.

Jesus and the Truth Further meditations by Robert Loring, author of Warrior Christendom, on Jesus as the perfect example of Masculinity and of what it means to be a true Warrior.

With strong replies from Warriors Blackjack and JM.

honor and integrity Warrior JM is a straight-identified guy into kickboxing and jiu-jitsu who prefers hangin with his true-blue and honorable working-class buddies to his middle-class neighbors.

And JM is also beginning to acknowledge the sexual feelings he has for some of those guys.

Are his feelings normal?

The Warrior Ethos Can your life as a MAN be saved?

Yes, says Robert Loring, in this excellent and very powerful post:


Don't miss this richly illustrated essay which includes strong replies from Warrior Jim and myself.

The Fallacy of the Feminine Is masculinity the root of all evil?

And do all men have a feminine side?

THE POWER OF THE MASCULINE For more than a century, a terrible lie has controlled the lives of Men.

Learn the TRUTH about Masculine Men and their need for other Masculine Men.

Richly illustrated and essential reading.

NATURAL MASCULINITY and the weight of the lies What was life like in a PRE-heterosexualized culture in which Natural Masculinity flourished?

Find out in this lavishly illustrated look at the ancient Greeks.

Those are our posts.

From Don Frazer's The Romance of Frot

to WARRIORS!, one of our many explorations of the Warrior Ethos

more than 400 pages and 2000 individual statements.

I hope you'll read all of them. And I hope you'll contribute to them. You'll be stronger for it, and I know you'll be proud, just as I am, to be a Frot Man and Cockrub Warrior.



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